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    Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Xernova on Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:07 am

    Well, we have a topic about Xenogears pairings [size=85](and also one about Shion's possible love interests)[/size], so I figured it's time to make a general Xenosaga pairings topic as well.

    Simple question, which pairings do you like?
    Feel free to add an explanation as to why you like a pairing.

    You'll have to excuse me, but I'm just gonna do a lazy copy & paste again. xD
    Here are mine;



    Ones I like and make sense:

    Kevin x Shion => Yes, even though Kevin doesn't go about things the right way, there's clearly a deep bond between those two and I just think it's an interesting pairing.
    ^ A recent discussion has kinda changed my mind on this one (see [url=http:]this topic[/url]).
    I still like how they are portrayed as a couple in the flashbacks, but that's about all that's left for me to like about the pairing. =/

    Virgil x Febronia => This doesn't need an explanation. The pairing is there and you either like it or you don't. I thought it worked well.

    * Ziggy x Juli => This is a nice pairing too. The reason I didn't mention it in my original post is because the pairing seems kinda awkward on a physical level, given that Ziggy's body consists of several mechanical parts...

    Ones I (somewhat) like and still make semi-sense:

    Albedo x Jr. => This works easily. You don't need much creative fanfiction ideas to pair those two up. The only thing is that their physical age differs quite a bit, so when I think of this pairing, I think of them as teenagers in the Yuriev Institute.

    Wilhelm x chaos => This one doesn't require too much creativity either. Pairing them up is quite easy. It's an interesting pairing in some ways, it's just that Wilhelm tends to annoy me. xP But it's still good enough to add to the list (Wilhelm will just have to behave).
    * I don't like this pairing very much anymore either. My dislike for Wilhelm has grown over the years. They look good together, but storywise I don't like the pairing all that much.

    My favorite (i.e. OTP), which seems to be very uncommon:

    chaos x Jr. => I know it seems less likely than Albedo x Jr./Wilhelm x chaos, but I think you can make it work (*). And I'd say it's worth making it work; going by appearance alone this pairing is already hotness. xD

    (*) For a more detailed explanation of my fanfic-imagination on how to pair these two up, you can check below. It's quite long, so I'll put it in a spoiler box (and it does include spoilers!);



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    Jr. x chaos is a pairing which I actually didn't even think of until XSII's ending. v

    Yes, chaos happily takes the place of a mental Sakura image to steal a hug from Jr., but that's not quite what triggered my yaoi senses (well, maybe a little, aha). It's the fact that chaos went into the space-time anomaly to help Jr. get out of there safely again. At first, I actually thought it was kinda random for chaos to show up there.

    But that's because there's one thing I've always felt was rather vague, this being that Jr. and chaos already seem to be fairly good buddies at the start of the story. I don't think they showed this properly, but you can tell by some scenes; when the party is first introduced to Jr. in XSI, he says something about there being some kind of problem, then chaos walks over to him and pats him on the back (I, like, totally didn't pay attention to that). In XSII, when Jr. is carrying all those books in Jin's bookstore, chaos also seems to respond in a buddy-buddy way. But he's so timid that I can't really tell if they're supposed to be close or regular friends.

    Now, with that said, back to the XSII ending:

    When they return to the Durandal, Jr. thanks chaos for helping him. In response, chaos waves and gives him kind of a shy smile as he descens on the elevator. Why so shy, chaos? Awkward moment is awkward, and it makes me wonder how long they were hugging before Jr. realised he wasn't holding Sakura in his arms (perhaps he didn't mind?). ;P

    With this, I had a decent basis to make the pairing work. Then it quickly grew on me, to the point where it's now my favorite one.

    There's also something funny about XSIII which works in favor for the above (but it's not really a serious point):

    chaos went into the space-time anomaly to save Jr., but whenever T-elos is beating up his beloved KOS-MOS, he apparently goes sightseeing. See, he likes Jr. more! xP

    Btw, one thing I remember someone saying before is that Jr. x chaos is the pairing of the two "cute guys". However, I don't consider either of them cutesie-cute guys. chaos was only like that in XSI, but then he turned into the rather serious "mystery guy" of the series. And a hot-tempered, gun-wielding, cursing kid is by my definition not cutesie-cute either, lol. But it's true that they're often drawn like that, and it's also easy to pull off. Still, that's not how I normally picture them (unless it's for comical purposes).

    PS: It's also important to note here that I go with Jr.'s XSII&III semi-retconned 15-16 years teenager appearance and not his younger appearance from XSI.

    Oh, and it also helps that chaos and Jr. are both older than they appear to be. Iirc Jr. is 26-27 and chaos... uh, a couple of thousands of years older? xD
    That about sums up the pairings I like myself (or used to like, in some cases).


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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by chibi on Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:52 pm

    You know, I can't seem to find my post on GS that explained why I love the pairing that I do, so I'm just going to throw the pairing out there and be done with it. XD

    Jr.xShion - I have been in love with this pairing since playing through Ep. III because there were so many little things in that game that just caught my eye and made it viable.

    It's the only pairing I've continued to care about from Xenosaga.


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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Guest on Thu Jan 31, 2013 7:58 pm

    I used to like Jr.xMOMO quite a bit, but after taking in the ending and looking back on the series as a whole, it just makes me feel bad. I got into it post-XS2 after MOMO's connection to Sakura was revealed. Problem is, MOMO never received the characterization necessary to grow into an adult in-game, they just kinda tack it on in the database after the fact. And even at that rate, she will probably never see Jr. again in this lifetime. It seems like a lazy resolution to their subplot, so I've stopped caring, really.

    ZiggyxJuli is cute, but again, I don't think Ziggy got enough in the way of characterization to really know what he even wants to do with himself post-game. It's insinuated that he resolved to join MOMO's family after his freedom is bought by Juli Mizrahi, but uh, I don't know. Does he want to try and restore his parts or anything? How long can he exist as a cyborg? Does he live with MOMO now? I just dunno. His only other connection was Jr., who left on the impossible mission.

    I try to think of Rubedo/Albedo as a nonsexual soul mates thing. Albedo is literally Jr.'s "

    other half"

    on a spiritual level. I'm glad how the ending showed them becoming one. At least that angle had a satisfying resolution. But I don't like to think of physical sex between them because of their familial relationship. It's kinda squicky to me. To contrast, Gaignun/Citrine does not squick me as much, because they hardly knew her. But I still don't like that pairing too much because it seems it would be abusive.

    Jr./Shion I kind of did like on the side for a while, until she started venting at him in XS3. It was like she always found him annoying even when he's trying to protect her. Jr. is the voice of reason whenever Shion is waffling over Kevin. I like it when he says "

    like hell it's none of my concern, she's my friend!"

    or something like that. I don't remember the exact line. But truthfully, I appreciate them more as an awesome friendship. I like to see male and female characters become friends without it becoming sexual.

    I like Shion/Allen in the end, but throughout XS2 in particular, it was kinda painful to watch. I feel bad for Allen, but at the same time I wish he would just tell Shion to stop being so irrational and present some other options to her ridiculous plans.

    I love chaosxKOS-MOS. I was disappointed that chaos seemed more interested in Mary herself, but I still think it is cute. The robotic KOS-MOS and the very caring and gentle chaos make a very cute contrast as a couple.

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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Guest on Fri Feb 01, 2013 1:47 pm

    I'm really down with any pairing as long as it's well-presented. (With the exception of a few. I'm not really a fan of when people ship Jr/Albedo/Gaignun together in anyway. If thats yo' thang then cool but the incest thing kind of skeezes me out. Sorry).

    I guess the pairing that I always thought was cool was Shion/Gaignun. It never got a ton of attention in the fandom but...I dunno they're two of my favorite characters in the series and I always thought they would be cool together.

    I also like Juil/Ziggy but the...mechanics of that is a bit confusing. And I think that Jr/MOMO is cute but I think it works in a more platonic was. The maturity differences between the two just seemed a bit too much for something romantic to work.
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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Xernova on Fri Feb 01, 2013 2:14 pm

    GlanceReviver wrote:I try to think of Rubedo/Albedo as a nonsexual soul mates thing. Albedo is literally Jr.'s "other half" on a spiritual level. I'm glad how the ending showed them becoming one.  At least that angle had a satisfying resolution. But I don't like to think of physical sex between them because of their familial relationship. It's kinda squicky to me. To contrast, Gaignun/Citrine does not squick me as much, because they hardly knew her.  But I still don't like that pairing too much because it seems it would be abusive.
    c'mere wrote:I'm not really a fan of when people ship Jr/Albedo/Gaignun together in anyway. If thats yo' thang then cool but the incest thing kind of skeezes me out. Sorry.
    It's funny how that works. I'm normally not too fond of such pairings either, but with the URTVs it doesn't bother me for some reason. I think it's because they never, ever call eachother brothers (or sister in Citrine's case). At least not as far as I can remember (not actually too sure about Citrine). I guess I just don't see them as such, even though they technically are. But just to be clear;

    I only apply this kind of logic to ficitional characters, of course. xD

    Yet on the other hand, a pairing like Shion x Jin would só totally NOT be my kind of thing. So yeah, URTVs are an exception somehow. (Although I don't pair Nigredo with anyone, I find his character rather boring)


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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Guest on Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:44 pm

    Xernova;

    I totally get it. It's like Luke/Asch shippers in Tales of the Abyss. It kinda squicks me, but at the same time I can understand how it does not squick other people.
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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Tehrin on Tue Feb 05, 2013 4:45 pm

    I mainly ship ZiggyxJuli and ShionxAllen. But I'm also fond of JrxMOMO, JinxPellegri, FebxVirgil. :3

    With Ziggy and Juli, I'm not sure ideally how it work out. But I have all sorts of headcannons. I know at first it would be very difficult for Ziggy to come around and develop any sort of romantic interest in anyone, especially after what he had been through, and knowing that he doesn't have that much time left. So I think in that respect, it might not happen. But I think if Juli was truly interested and wanted it, as well as encouraging him that it would be okay (better to have love and lost than never loved at all) I think it would be possible. Besides, they'd make a really cute family, and he would've come full circle. In a way, I kind of look at it as a little gift from chaos, considering he had previous involvement with him during the Pied Piper storyline.

    With Shion and Allen, I think at this point, they'd be ready to kind of move forward into something. I think it would be difficult at first, Shion being who she is, just finding out that her one-dead boyfriend is infact alive again, and oops, dead again, but was using you all along. Also, knowing that her brother is gone... I don't think she'd be willing to get into a relationship right away. But being on the Elsa, and her and Allen having a common past, him being there for her through everything, and getting the crap beat out of him for her really says something. I think she'll come around eventually. Maybe not right away, but I think it's an eventuality.

    As far as Jr and MOMO goes, I don't see it as something that would really work out with them being in their younger forms. MOMO still has the mind, emotions, and experiences of a 14 year old. Jr, while he is 26 and was stuck in the body of a 12 year old, he still has a lifetime of experiences to fall back on, despite being in a smaller body, and maybe not the natural/emotional/mental changes that take place due to growing up. If for some reason, MOMO was able to get a new network going, and she's of course in an older body (as the database implied), I can see her going out to try to find the Elsa after knowing their work is done, finding him, and perhaps pursuing something with him. But I think the more likely outcome would be her finding someone else, but she never really forgets Jr and the others, you know? Kind of like the childhood/teenage romance you had. You move on from that place, even though at that time, the person meant so much to you. But you end up with someone you never thought you would. For you at your current time and place it's everything you wanted. Though it may have not been what you wanted or imagined at 14, and it's probably not what the fandom imagined.

    But since it's been years and a few of us die-harders are left, we can imagine what we damn well please.
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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by stitchedmoon on Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:06 pm

    Ziggy and Juli is my OTP of all OTPs, but kinda like Rin said, it took me a few years of headcanonizing and spewing out terrible fanfics and fanart before I figured out how their relationship would even function (I mean emotionally and psychologically, not, well, y'know). :P  I'm pretty set on the idea of them starting a new family with MOMO and Alby, but it might only be possible with a lot of character development and speculation beyond the few hints we were actually given.


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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Guest on Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:33 am

    Durandal x Kukai Foundation

    What can I say, I'm a sucker for tragic romances. Sad

    Ok ok I ship quite a bit of stuff in XS but I'm a huge nervous baby about ship-talk so I'll just be quiet for now.
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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Tehrin on Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:36 am

    Mattoid wrote:Durandal x Kukai Foundation

    What can I say, I'm a sucker for tragic romances. :(

    Ok ok I ship quite a bit of stuff in XS but I'm a huge nervous baby about ship-talk so I'll just be quiet for now.

    I'd ship it! I made an icon of it ages ago too.

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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Guest on Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:16 pm

    One of the users on XL had made an epic fanfiction of Kukai Foundation x Durandal, but I'm not sure where it is.
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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Xernova on Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:31 am

    Lol, Durandal x Kukai Foundation? Where did that come from...?

    @Tehrin wrote:I'd ship it! I made an icon of it ages ago too.
    Oh... I see, I get it now. That's naughty...

    Mattoid wrote:Ok ok I ship quite a bit of stuff in XS but I'm a huge nervous baby about ship-talk so I'll just be quiet for now.
    Well, I'm always interested in reading about more potential pairings.
    So far I've seen 2 mentions which I never even thought of myself (not counting Durandal x Kukai Foundation, lolz), and I just find it quite interesting to see how others explain the pairings they ship.


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    Post by Guest on Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:41 am

    ... oh my dear God, that's a blast from the past. Kukai Foundation x Durandal, I remember that. Laughing

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    Post by Guest on Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:34 am

    Yeah, I'm not the kind of guy who finds sexual innuendo in everything, but even I found that scene a little suspicious...
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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Xernova on Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:49 am

    I, like, totally didn't even think of that in the slightest, lol. And I'm not exactly innocent when it comes to taking things out of context ("Such a sweet smell, Rubedo!").

    But anyways;

    I'd like to ask if we could get back to posting about some more serious pairings? It's getting kinda spammish off-topic with the whole Durandal x Kukai Foundation thing (the thread is starting to get a little too much sidetracked and I'd still like to see some serious replies too).


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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Guest on Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:15 pm

    I never had much of pairings in Xenosaga,and just in some rare games and animes, I didn't like playable characters pairings much myself,all of them didn't sound very good to me, maybe besides ShionXAllen and ZiggyxJuli ,but I'm not fond of them,just think they would be more likely to happen then the others I've heard of.
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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by katimus_prime on Thu Feb 21, 2013 5:35 pm

    Because it's my birthday, I'm feeling ballsy enough to say that I think the most obvious pairing to me is Cherenkov/Margulis, but only because I generally see people I'm attracted to and generally assume romantic attraction in place of professional respect. ::runs and hides::

    Then there's also chaos and KOS-MOS, which isn't very well explained, but I can totally see. Ziggy/Juli is adorable and to an extent, I kinda ship Jr and MOMO. I've been talked out of Shion/Allen, mostly because it's kinda one-sided. I can generally be talked into liking any ship, tho.

    I think my biggest priority ships are Cherenkov/Anyone and Margulis/Anyone. Also Pellegri/Anyone.


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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by stitchedmoon on Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:14 pm

    katimus wrote:I think my biggest priority ships are Cherenkov/Anyone and Margulis/Anyone.  Also Pellegri/Anyone.

    I am totally on board with those ships. |3  (I especially love your portrayal of them in your fan works. <3 )


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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Tehrin on Thu Feb 21, 2013 7:50 pm

    katimus wrote: Also Pellegri/Anyone.

    Pellegri x The Pink Bug

    I'd ship it.
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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Xernova on Fri Feb 22, 2013 2:52 am

    ^ Pellegri x Orgulla, of course.

    katimus wrote:Then there's also chaos and KOS-MOS, which isn't very well explained, but I can totally see.
    chaos x KOS-MOS (Mary) isn't very well explained AT ALL, imo. chaos and Mary are supposed to be soulmates, but not at any point in XSIII did I ever feel any kind of chemistry between those two. Worst of all, not even after Mary fully awakens. chaos just stands there and blinks. Heck, when KOS-MOS gets trashed he's not even around in the cutscenes.

    As far as canon pairings go, chaos x KOS-MOS (Mary) is by far one of the most poorly developed canon pairings I have ever seen. I have absolutely no idea what those two would be like together, because the game completely fails to show it.
    Then again, chaos and KOS-MOS would have been in all 6 episodes, so I guess they would have gotten the development they needed in the last 3 episodes. Shame we'll never get to see those, because now I'm left with a canon pairing of which I can totally not see how it would work.

    On the plus side, that only makes it easier for me to ship chaos with someone else. >:3


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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by katimus_prime on Sat Feb 23, 2013 8:51 am

    The trouble with pairings is that each one tends to step on the others if they're not the same. ^^ To each their own, tho. Having a pairing I'm against takes a lot of energy for me. I think the only ones I actively dislike aren't for Xenosaga. :🤷:


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    Post by Xernova on Sun Feb 24, 2013 6:08 am

    katimus wrote:The trouble with pairings is that each one tends to step on the others if they're not the same. ^^ To each their own, tho.
    True, that. And indeed, to each their own. I'm not bothered in the slightest by other's preferred pairings. I'm actually quite interested to see which characters others pair up and also for what reason(s).

    It's canon pairings which can stop me from pairing a character up with someone else if he/she is already canonically paired up with someone else. It depends on how much emphasis is put on the canon pairing; i.e. how well it was done in-game. Xenogears' Fei x Elly is a great example of this; I just can't picture them with anyone else than eachother (it's a canon pairing which I can't break up in favor of pairing either of them with anyone else).

    But as I explained in my previous post, chaos x KOS-MOS (Mary) is a canon pairing which I personally feel was so poorly done that I can easily pair either of them with someone else.
    ...Heck, even I think KOS-MOS has more chemistry with Shion than she ever does with chaos. xD


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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by stitchedmoon on Sun Feb 24, 2013 3:48 pm

    Yeah, I generally don't mind people shipping ships that I don't ship (at least in this fandom), even if they contradict the ones I do.  And like Xerno said, it's interesting to see the reasoning behind it, and the way people interpret the characters' relationships and stuff.

    ... I think the only exception I have to this rule is
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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Guest on Sun Feb 24, 2013 4:02 pm

    ^I didn't even know that pairing existed but that gif is amazing.

    Yeah I really don't get upset about any pairings even if I don't care for them. I consider "shipping" to be such a goofy fun thing in its self that I really don't see the need to take it all that seriously. I just enjoy seeing people make cool fanworks regardless.

    I think it's fun to think up pairings outside the norm just because it can interesting/entertaining to mess with cannon of stuff like that.

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    Re: Xenosaga pairings

    Post by Guest on Thu Feb 28, 2013 9:31 pm

    I like romance and drama wen it's combined with other stuff I like, science-fiction, fantasy, etc. So that's why I'm all up into shipping. But it has to have some substance or appeal, not just... two characters looked at each other.

    I only really get annoyed at other and their pairings fans when they treat it like a religion, and you're either a believer or an infidel. I like to discuss what I like and don't like about pairings in topics where it's invited, but when it's just a fan video or a fanfiction or something somebody made for fun, and people jump in and get all bitchy about the pairings in it, that's super extremely annoying.

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