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    Seiken Densetsu 3 Artbook scans

    Post by Valkyrie on Mon Jan 20, 2014 2:06 pm

    Hi everyone,

    For those who don't know "Seiken Densetsu 3" (a game for Super-Nes) just have a look here :
    http://mana.wikia.com/wiki/Seiken_Densetsu_3

    I have acquired today the legendary "Nobuteru Yuki - Seiken Densetsu 3 - Illustration Book". If anybody is interested in seeing scans, just tell me. Besides it would be fun to translate the texts it contains into English, if someone accept to do it.
    N.B. :I have a scanner that can detect the Japanese characters, so it allows to copy-paste the text in translation websites easily.
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    Re: Seiken Densetsu 3 Artbook scans

    Post by katimus_prime on Mon Jan 20, 2014 10:27 pm

    Oh wow. *_* I'd love to see those scans! I got the ROM when I was in college, but I never actually got it to work right. I do still plan to play it, though. I love the Mana games.


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    Re: Seiken Densetsu 3 Artbook scans

    Post by kare_reiko on Tue Jan 21, 2014 2:20 pm

    Wow I played it a lot when I was around 15, it brings some memories...


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    Post by Xernova on Wed Jan 22, 2014 9:02 am

    Oh, Seiken Densetsu 3 is a great game! It's my favorite Mana game, actually. Such a shame it never got imported (I've got the fan-translated ROM).

    I wouldn't mind seeing some art of

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    Isabella/Bigieu
    Is there any art of her demon form, by any chance?
    =>

    And art of the Dark Prince would be cool too.
    Possibly also art from the Dragon Emperor & Masked Mage.
    And again, is there any art of those 3 their final boss forms?
    But I'm guessing there won't be much art of any of those. At least, I've never seen any (official) art of them online (except for Isabella).


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    Re: Seiken Densetsu 3 Artbook scans

    Post by Valkyrie on Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:45 am

    More infos and scans about this artbook here :
    http://www.fangirl.eu/2012/08/18/doujinshi-nobuteru-yuki-seiken-densetsu-3-illustration-book/

    Xernova :
    But I'm guessing there won't be much art of any of those. At least, I've never seen any (official) art of them online (except for Isabella).

    Some good artworks here, including the 3 last bosses (rough sketches) in their human forms (damn they are so cool, they look like villains drawn by Akira Toriyama).
    http://www.squarepalace.com/dossiers/seikendensetsu3/artworks/artworks.php

    About Isabella there is this awesome artwork of Lord of Vermilion :
    http://www.siliconera.com/postgallery/?p_gal=318303|4

    Oh and one more last thing about Isabella :
    Spoiler:
    You know Isabella is a character in Sword of Mana (GBA).
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    Post by Xernova on Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:42 am

    @Valkyrie wrote:Some good artworks here, including the 3 last bosses (rough sketches) in their human forms (damn they are so cool, they look like villains drawn by Akira Toriyama).
    http://www.squarepalace.com/dossiers/seikendensetsu3/artworks/artworks.php
    Oh, nifty! Haven't seen those sketches before.

    @Valkyrie wrote:About Isabella there is this awesome artwork of Lord of Vermilion :
    http://www.siliconera.com/postgallery/?p_gal=318303|4
    Awesome! *_*

    @Valkyrie wrote:Oh and one more last thing about Isabella :
    Spoiler:
    You know Isabella is a character in Sword of Mana (GBA).
    Yup, I know. I've played that game too. ^^


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    Re: Seiken Densetsu 3 Artbook scans

    Post by Gwendal on Thu Jan 30, 2014 6:02 pm

    @kare_reiko wrote:Wow I played it a lot when I was around 15, it brings some memories...

    Same thing here, definitely a classic.

    And like I already told Valkyrie in a PM, I'll be happy to do some translations from this book, so please feel free to request things.
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    Post by Valkyrie on Sat Feb 01, 2014 1:47 pm

    Hi,

    I have begun to scan it.
    You can see the scans here :

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/93343796@N04/sets/72157640366186963/

    P.S. : when you visualize an image in particular, you can do a right-clik on it, and then choose "original size".
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    Re: Seiken Densetsu 3 Artbook scans

    Post by Valkyrie on Sun Feb 16, 2014 12:06 pm

    Hi everyone,

    As you will see, I have added a lot of images today.

    About the translation :
    One more time thank you a lot Gwendal for your involvement  :nice:
    Of course I will mention your name on my gallery on flickr.

    Here is the text contained in page 2 :

    ども,ユ一キです,:さて今回の「聖剣」画集はスクウェアさんのご快諾により発行の速びとなりました、―とうとう「高い城の男」の活動も行き者く所まで
    行き着いたという感じです,.(笑)多分,これまた‘X」本と同じく最初で最後のアプローチになると思われますが,デザインのハザマ氏も乗り気で参加
    してくれてますので,きっと良い本になるのではないでしょうか。ヨロシクお付き合い願います,ではまた,

    WARNING : I have obtained this text by using a software that can detect Japanese characters drawn on an image. But this software is not 100% reliable, it can go wrong. So comparing the text above with the real text is a good idea in my opinion (above all if the translation seems odd at the end).

    The original text is here :
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/93343796@N04/12566564365/sizes/o/in/set-72157640366186963/

    Oh my my I just notice one thing...There is a "x" in the original text which does not appear on the text above. Sigh... Already an error...Well, I suppose this is a reference to the fact that Nobuteru Yuki worked on "X The Movie" (from the manga of Clamp) previously :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobuteru_Y%C5%ABki

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    Re: Seiken Densetsu 3 Artbook scans

    Post by Gwendal on Wed Feb 26, 2014 10:12 am

    Hey, sorry for taking so long. I have to admit I kind of forgot about this thread after a while. Razz
    Here's my take on the text:

    But. Yuki here. We were able to proceed with publishing this "Seiken Densetsu" art book since Square have given their consent. I feel like "the man in the tall castle" has finally been able to finish his task and go where he needed to go. (Laughs)
    It could be that this will turn out just like the "X" book, where the first approach will end up being the final one, but since the designer Mr. Hazama has also expressed interest in contributing, it'll probably turn out to be a good book in any case. Nice meeting you all. Later.

    That program to capture the characters is pretty impressive, by the way. I noticed it mixed up a few characters with very similar-looking ones, but still neat.

    Again, sorry for the long delay, will try to remember checking in a bit more often from now on. Smile
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    Re: Seiken Densetsu 3 Artbook scans

    Post by Valkyrie on Wed Feb 26, 2014 3:44 pm

    Yes ! Thanks for this first translation Gwendal ! You can see the result here :

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/93343796@N04/12799728985/sizes/h/in/set-72157641577111814/

    Here is the next text :


    基本的にパーツはスクウェアさんのデザインの通りですね。いずれのキャラ
    もそうなんですが、ポクの手に来る前に中味はもう先行して進んでましたから。
    盾位かな勝手に持たせたのは。当時あまりピンと来ないキャラだった割に、
    今見ると結構良いと思う。自分のプレイでは2回とも使わなかったケド。(笑)

    LIGHT CLASS - PALADIN

    クラスチェンジイラストに於いて、武器は全て高橋政輝氏のデザインを使
    っています,他はほぼオリジナルかな。基本のキャラにピンと来なかった分
    自分の中の「ナイト」像をまんま描いている気がする,スクウェア側の希
    望としては、全てのクラスを描いて欲しいとの事でしたが、さすがに数が多
    すぎる事と、「パラデイン」と「ロード」等の違いがゲームをやらないポクに
    は良く分からなかった事もあり(未だに良く分からないが’)、この様な形に
    なったのでした

    DARK CLASS - DUELIST

    「聖剣」における最大の謎であるこの「閤Iのクラス,どうにもピンと来な
    い設定だったせいもあり、非常に悩んだ憶えがあります.つまりは.悪度的
    な風貌でありながら悪役に見えてはいけないという事で、当時の「やりにくさ一
    が如実に絵に出ている気がする好きになれない一枚-

    The original image is here :

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/93343796@N04/12566729673/sizes/o/in/set-72157640366186963/

    Besides, I don't know if you understand French or not, but a french fan who can read Japanese indicates some information contained in this artbook here :
    http://www.fangirl.eu/2012/08/18/doujinshi-nobuteru-yuki-seiken-densetsu-3-illustration-book/
    Here is the interesting part :
    On apprend ainsi que le design de Duran avait déjà été décidé à l’avance par Squaresoft, et que Yūki s’est contenté de n’apporter que quelques petits ajouts ; que pour Kevin le plus difficile fut l’utilisation des couleurs bleu et jaune dans son costume sans que cela ne donne un résultat trop mauvais ; que Hawk Eye devait originellement avoir les cheveux gris, mais que lors de l’impression d’une illustration les cheveux sont ressortis avec une couleur tirant plus vers le violet et que du coup, c’est cette couleur qui a été gardée ; que Angela est le personnage féminin préféré de Nobuteru Yūki ; que pour Charlotte il a eu du mal à se décider pour son design final ; et enfin que Riesz fut l’exemple parfait du genre de personnage féminin qu’il n’avait pas du tout l’habitude de dessiner. On apprend aussi que Seiken Densetsu 3 fut également le tout premier RPG auquel Nobuteru Yūki aura joué.
    I suppose this may help you...

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    Post by Gwendal on Thu Feb 27, 2014 4:26 pm

    No problem, glad you liked it. Smile

    Thanks for the French excerpt too. It'd be a big stretch to say I really "understand" French, but I studied it at a basic level for a few years back in middle/high school, so I can sort of get the rough gist of that passage.

    And here's the translation:

    Duran

    Basically, [he was assembled from] parts in accordance with Square's design. Several other characters were like that too, with their particulars already being settled before they came to my desk. I did decide on my own to give him a shield, though. At the time, he didn't seem like a very interesting character to me, but looking back at it now, I think he turned out okay after all. That said, I've never used him more than once in my own playthroughs of the game. (Smile)

    LIGHT CLASS - PALADIN

    All the weapons he uses in his class change illustrations were designed by Mr. Masaki [?] Takahashi. Everything else is more or less original. Even if I didn't care too much for [Duran] as a base character, I feel like I was fairly successful in depicting my personal image of a "Knight". Square wanted me to draw every single class, but since there were far too many of them, it was hard sometimes for someone like me who doesn't play games very much to tell the difference between "Paladin", "Lord" and so on (and I'm still not really clear on that). So that's why it turned out the way it did.

    DARK CLASS - DUELIST

    This "Dark" class is one of the great mysteries of "Seiken" [Densetsu 3]. It just wouldn't turn out well at all, and I remember worrying about it quite a bit. It had to have a devilish appearance without also coming across as a villain, and I think the "difficulty of pulling that off" really came through in the drawing. It's one drawing I don't care much for.
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    Post by Valkyrie on Sat Mar 01, 2014 7:38 am

    Wow nice ! Things are getting really interesting now !
    I am always interested in character-design issues...

    Talking about that, it shall not be forgotten that Nobuteru Yuki did the character-design of "Xenosaga The Animation" (though of course the original character design work of PS2 games was from Kunihiko Tanaka and K.Mugitani/Choco).

    Here is the final result :
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/93343796@N04/12853360563/sizes/h/in/set-72157641577111814/

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    So here is the next part :


    Kevin

    う一ん、いかにも「グラップラー」なポーズ(笑)ケヴィン全体に言える事な
    んですが、服の青と黄のシマシマが大変にじむんですよ、カラーインクは,
    色の相性にもよるケド最悪でしたよケヴィンは:(笑)

    LIGHT CLASS - GODHAND

    もう完全に悪役地獄の貴公子ってカンジ(笑)「ゴットハンド」の熱血
    なカンジと正反対のクールなカンジで作ってます斜めフカンと手を手前
    に突き出すポーズはポクの最も描きやすいポーズの一つ

    DARK CLASS - DEATHHAND

    イメージカラーは赤でも黄色の逆立つ髪と胴着はまるで「ドラゴンボール」:
    いや「スト丨丨」のケンか.‘‘いずれにしても「格閫」キャラのスタンダード
    は空手着なのね,日本人だなあ(笑)

    And here is the orignal :

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/93343796@N04/12567424304/sizes/k/in/set-72157640366186963/

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    Post by Gwendal on Wed Mar 05, 2014 11:26 am

    Nice work with the translation images so far! Here's the next part. I'll spell the class names with a space between "God/Death" and "Hand", since that's how the actual game does it IIRC, at least the fan translation.

    Yep, that's a "Grappler" pose, all right. (Smile)
    This really goes for Kevin in general, but those blue and yellow stripes on his clothing were quite a challenge. The color ink was [always] blurring. Kevin was also pretty bad in terms of color compatibility. (Smile)

    LIGHT CLASS - GOD HAND

    The "image color" here is red. But the eye-catching yellow hair and the suit brings "Dragon Ball" to mind. Or "SF2"'s Ken, maybe...in any case, I guess the karate uniform is the standard for "hand-to-hand" characters. Probably since we're Japanese and all. (Smile)

    DARK CLASS - DEATH HAND

    It's just a total villain. Kind of like the Prince of Hell. (Smile)*
    I set out to give it a colder feel, as a polar opposite of the hot-blooded "God Hand". His pose, striking out aggressively with his hands in front of him, is one of those poses it's easy for me to draw.

    *This might be a reference to the Dark Prince, since it's close to his Japanese name, but not exactly the same.
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    Post by Valkyrie on Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:21 pm

    *This might be a reference to the Dark Prince, since it's close to his Japanese name, but not exactly the same.

    It seems you remember well the story of the game. Good ! This will help surely.

    And thanks for this one ! Kevin was my first character on my first playthrough !

    I am also very enthusiastic to know info about Riesz, so it is her turn now :

    RIESZ
    いいですよね、リースって健気で(笑)ポクがあまり描かないタイプのキヤ
    ラなので特にそう思うのかもこういうムードの絵になぅたのは、やはりストー
    リーから来るイメージからたと思いますアマゾネスじやないよな〜これは(笑)

    LIGHT CLASS - VANADIS
    リースの元々のイメージを突き詰めた惑しみーズにもそれが現れてますね
    「ヴァナディ“ス」って何の事やら分からなかったので、ミドルクラスの「ワ
    ルギューレ」のイメージを元に造ってますス卜;

    /キンクは"

    ’気分、気分(笑)

    DARK CLASS - FENRIR KNIGHT
    これは高橋氏とポクとでたいぶやりとりがあったキャラですね多分、ラフも
    収録されてると思うのでそちらを見てもらうと分かると思います最初は全
    然違うコスチュームでしたが、それに高橋氏のアイデアで頭の付いた狼の
    毛皮にしようという事になり、それをまたホクがアレンジして生きた毛皮を
    鎖でつないでいるといづた形に落ち着きました

    And here is the original page :
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/93343796@N04/12954260323/sizes/o/in/set-72157640366186963/

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    Post by Gwendal on Fri Mar 07, 2014 2:35 pm

    Nice, Kevin is probably a good choice for a first playthrough, since he's easily the most powerful character. I don't really remember for sure, but I think my first MC was Angela. She's still my favorite, along with Hawk.

    Anyway, here's the next translation. If you don't mind too much, I'm going to stick to the romanizations from the fan translation. Partly because most people who played SD3 in English are familiar with those names, and partly because I really can't stand the ridiculous-looking name "Riesz". Razz
    Of course, you're free to edit it however you want when you put the text onto the image.

    LISE

    Lise is great, isn't she, being so gallant and all. (Smile)
    I don't get to draw this type of character very often, so maybe that influences my view of her too. I feel like the mood of the drawing definitely came as a result of the story. Really quite the amazoness, this one. (Smile)

    LIGHT CLASS - VANADIES

    I feel like it follows naturally from Lise's original image, and the same goes for her pose. I didn't really know what exactly a "Vanadies" was supposed to be, so I based it on the transitional class, "Valkyrie". Her stockings...they have some feeling to them. (Smile)

    DARK CLASS - FENRIR KNIGHT

    This is one of those characters were Mr. Takahashi and I had a lot of back and forth between us. I think the rough sketches for it are included [in the book] too, so you'll probably understand [that it was a collaboration] when you look at them. In the beginning, she had a totally different costume, but Mr. Takahashi had the idea to put a wolf pelt on her head, and then I turned that into a living wolf pelt that wouldn't be tied to her, ending up with the final form.
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    Post by kare_reiko on Sun Mar 09, 2014 4:54 pm

    For most time I started play with Lise, friend of mine with Angela. In that time we both play all ZNES games we got from friend lik SD3, FF IV-VI, Gundam Wing fighting game XD...

    It has pretty cute graphic, we didn't know english so good (we were 15) and got Hawkeye as a girl XD, we were like we got 3 girls in playing party Lise-Angela- and Hawkeye XD, well from graphic it was hard to tell because he has long hair XD


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    Post by Valkyrie on Sat Mar 15, 2014 8:35 am

    Thanks for this one Gwendal , Lise chara-design is so cool :happy5:
    Just one question about this :

    This is one of those characters were Mr. Takahashi and I had a lot of back and forth between us. I think the rough sketches for it are included [in the book] too, so you'll probably understand [that it was a collaboration] when you look at them. In the beginning, she had a totally different costume, but Mr. Takahashi had the idea to put a wolf pelt on her head, and then I turned that into a living wolf pelt that wouldn't be tied to her, ending up with the final form.

    It can be read here that Tetsuya Takahashi was involved in this game too. But maybe this is not the same, since Takahashi is a very common name :
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetsuya_Takahashi

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    The translated scan are listed here :
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/93343796@N04/sets/72157641577111814/


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    As for me I have done three playthroughs so as to see the all three last dungeons/bosses.

    1) Kevin, Carlie, Duran
    At the time I chose the characters, I didn't know that the fate of Kevin and Carlie was linked. It was a good surprise for me. I chose Kevin because he is a werewolf and is easy to play : just hit and hit and hit...

    2) Lise, Hawk, Kevin
    I would like to involve Lise and Hawk together so that they can fight their bitter ennemies together.
    I like the valkyrie-style chara-design of Lise and her summonings, but this is the character with the less of personality I feel.

    3) Duran, Angela, Carlie
    Well, I never lose with this team : Carlie's white magic completely prevents that !
    But this one was painful, because Duran is so slow, and that I need to cast spells constantly...
    However the scenario part was good, because Angela's quotes are so funny, particularly when she speaks to Duran  :laugh4:

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    So, talking about Angela, it's her turn now :

    ANGELA

    秘かにマイフェイバリットキャラ,(笑)この娘抜きにはポクの「聖剣」は語
    れません,.何といってもポクの初ブレイの主人公ですから(笑):.、(意
    外性のかけらも無いって声も聞こえて来そうですが…)リースがイレギユラ
    “な魅力とすれば、アンジェラは正にマイ.スタンダードなわけです

    LIGHT CLASS - GRANDIVINA
    これも光は赤で闇は緑といった補色の関係で作ってますね賢者といゥた
    イメ一ジは地味になりがちですが、そこはそれアンジェラですから派手でも
    OKってカンジです。

    DARK CLASS - MAGUS
    ポクにとってのアンジェラはこのクラス。プレイもこのクラズにチェンジしま
    した。やはりアンジェラの性格を考えるとこちらかな“‘と魔術師ってやづ
    ぱ禁呪に手を出すのがセオリーでしよ?(笑)それに必殺技の「ホットショ
    ッ卜]も気持ちいいっス。


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    Re: Seiken Densetsu 3 Artbook scans

    Post by Gwendal on Fri Mar 21, 2014 3:49 pm

    That's a good question about Takahashi...I don't know if it's Xeno/Monolith Takahashi or not, unfortunately. Like you said, it's a common name.

    I have to admit I can't remember which characters I used for my very first playthrough, but I agree that pairing the characters so they all get to finish their stories is the best way to do it. Still, I've kept my save files from back in 2005 or so when I did the same thing and went through all three stories. Looks like I used the following parties:

    1. Hawk (Ninja Master), Lise (Star Lancer), Duran (Lord)
    2. Kevin (Death Hand), Carlie (Bishop), Lise (Dragon Master)
    3. Angela (Grand Divina), Duran (Duelist), Kevin (God Hand)

    The first one is probably my favorite, since NM and SL is such a good combination, but I guess the third one would be the most powerful. Not a huge fan of the Kevin/Carlie team, but Kevin is obviously very strong, and it's fun to blow up undead in Mirage Palace with Bishop. I could never really imagine Carlie as a Necromancer or Evil Shaman anyway, just doesn't fit her IMO.
    If I were to play again now, I'd probably use my three favorite characters and go with Hawk/Lise/Angela.

    But enough about that, here's the translation:

    ANGELA

    Between us, she's my favorite character. (Smile)
    As far as I'm concerned, it isn't really "Seiken" without her. She was the first main character I ever played as in an RPG, after all. (Smile)
    (I'm probably going to get some comments for this saying how that doesn't come as a surprise...)
    Lise might have a kind of irregular charm to her, but Angela is more my type.

    LIGHT CLASS - GRAND DIVINA

    This is another [character] I gave a color scheme with Light being red and Dark being green. Sage-like characters have a tendency to be pretty plain, but since this is Angela we're talking about, I figured it'd be okay to make her a bit more flashy.

    DARK CLASS - MAGUS

    When I personally think of Angela, I see her as this class. It's also the class I changed her into when I played the game. It definitely fits well when you consider Angela's personality...or so I'd say. That's my theory, with her being a mage and getting her hands on forbidden spells. (Smile)
    I'm also fond of her special attack, "Hotshot".
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    Post by Valkyrie on Sun Mar 30, 2014 2:42 pm

    Well well, I am so busy these days... Sorry for the late answer, and thank you for Angela !
    Actually I am very very fan of Angela, above all since I played two free excellent fan-games (RPG-Maker XP) where she appears as a major character  :nice:  :
    Memories of Mana (available in English) :
    http://atelier-rgss.com/Project/Mana/Project_Mana_Story.html
    Memories of Mana 2 (available in English) :
    http://atelier-rgss.com/Project/Mana2/Mana_01.html

    -----

    So now it's Hawk's time (not the one I prefer, but well...). Yes, in French his name is just ''Hawk'' :

    HAWKEYE

    本来、ホーク+イは銀髮なのたそうだが、もらったデザインのプリントが紫
    色(強く出すぎたんですな)だった為にこうなってしまった.直すという話も
    出たケド、結局このまま行く事になゥた。

    Light Class - Wanderer

    《可か耳にするたび嫌われているこのワンダラー」のデザインだケド-…、
    個人的にはすごぐ気に入っている;薔薇をくわえているのがダメたつたん
    せろ一かン(笑)あと髮が基本キャラより薄し、のは先に書かれた理由による
    こちらが本来の色のイメージづて事です

    Dark Class - Nightblade

    棒めてポクらレいデザインの一枚たた、絵的な指定は無かったものの、
    仮面の下の顔を見せる為に悩んだ憶えか.“‘今見ると「バルログ」っぼ
    い気もする

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    https://www.flickr.com/photos/93343796@N04/12566951135/sizes/o/in/photostream/

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    Re: Seiken Densetsu 3 Artbook scans

    Post by Gwendal on Thu Apr 03, 2014 11:13 am

    His name is "Hawk" in the English fantranslation too, probably due to character limitations. In any case, that's what I'm going with here too.


    HAWK

    Hawk was originally supposed to have silver hair, but his hair was purple in the design print I received (and it was probably a bit too pronounced too), so that's what he ended up with. There was some talk about fixing it, but we eventually decided to go with it as it was.

    LIGHT CLASS - WANDERER

    Whenever it's brought up, I always hear negative things about this "Wanderer" design...but personally, I rather like it. That said, it probably wasn't such a good idea to add the roses. (Smile)
    His hair color is also less bright compared to the base character, due to what I mentioned earlier. It's more in line with the color I originally imagined.

    DARK CLASS - NIGHTBLADE

    This design is very much my style. Even though I didn't have to follow any specifications for the drawing, I remember worrying about making the face visible beneath the mask. Looking at it now, it gives me a "Balrog" kind of feel.
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    Post by Valkyrie on Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:37 am

    Okay thanks for this one too Gwendal  :nice:

    ----

    The only one who remains is Charlotte/Carlie... <Sigh>

    This character annoys me. On the one hand I hate her childish way to speak and the fact that the game is far too easy with her (whatever the class you choose), but on the other hand I like her background (her parents, her two grand-fathers, the story of Wendel) and I hope there will be some references to this in "Heroes of Mana" (Nintendo DS).
    I found her hat with bells ridiculous, but then I realised that Deathjester had the same sort of hat, so...
    Here it is :

    CHARLOTTE

    正直な話一番ピンと来なかったキャラいや、いくらパ一フェルフって長生
    きっても赤ん坊はないたろって(笑)まあ、それもフレイ前の話ですケドね
    何といってもバーティには欠かせない回復役しかも、そのロの悪さと技の
    ユニークさにぞつこんまいりましたってカンジ丨はりせんチョッフ最高(笑)

    LIGHT CLASS - BISHOP

    聖職者の上級職という事で金パーツを多くしてます金の貫頭衣の下は
    白のノースリーブのワンヒースで下にシャツとお揃いのタイツです頭身が
    高いのは先に畲いた理由により、少しでも頭身を上けたかったから

    DARK CLASS - EVILSHAMAN

    ちびデビルつてカンシシャルロットは性格的にこちらの方が向いている力
    モ(笑)黒いマントの様に見えるが'こちらもよく見ると貫頭衣なのです

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    Re: Seiken Densetsu 3 Artbook scans

    Post by Gwendal on Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:52 am

    No problem. Smile

    Yeah, I'm not the biggest fan of Carlie either...I'll take the Sprite from SoM over her any day.


    CARLIE

    To be honest, she was the character I had the hardest time getting a clear idea of. Or rather, she's a half-elf, and they live such a long time, so she's kind of just a baby, isn't she? (Smile)
    But that was what I thought before I actually played the game, since her healing is indispensable no matter what party you're using. So I did my very best to convey her rough way of speaking and the uniqueness of her skills, like the ultimate "harisen chop". (Smile)
    [Not 100% sure about that last bit, he's probably referring to this in some way: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harisen]

    LIGHT CLASS - BISHOP

    A "bishop" is someone high up in the hierarchy of the clergy, so I used a lot of gold for this class. Underneath her golden frock, she's wearing a white, sleeveless one-piece, and underneath that, a matching shirt and tights. For reasons I've already written about, she has a high head-to-body ratio, but I wanted to make it a little bit higher still.

    DARK CLASS - EVIL SHAMAN

    This one has a bit of a "chibi-devil" feel to it. I guess that fits Carlie's personality. (Smile)
    It might look like she's wearing a black cloak, but if you look closely, you'll see it's a frock here too.
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    Re: Seiken Densetsu 3 Artbook scans

    Post by Valkyrie on Thu Apr 10, 2014 4:22 pm

    So...Looks like that's the end for the playable characters !
    Thanks a lot again  :nice:

    Now it is time for the page dealing with Bigieu, Koren, Deathjester, Flammy, Booskaboo, Fairy & Spirits.

    The villains : my favorite ?... hum... it has evolved a lot. First it was Deathjester (not as good as Kefka of FF VI of course, but the idea is similar), then the Dark Prince (its artwork is so cool*), then it was Koren (due to the fan-game I talked previously where he plays a major role), and finally Bigieu (the battle with her is epic while playing Kevin alone, and besides evil females are rare in the numerous RPGs I played).

    My favorite Mana spirit ? Hard to tell since I play so many Mana games, and their personalities change according to the games. Well... Undine.

    Here it is :

    Isabella

    う一ん、末弥さんゴメンなさいってカンジです。もう。「WIZ」の「Royal Lady」ですよね、これって。
    発注時のデザイン画のまんまイラストにしたら、後に 「WIZ」 関連の仕事をする事になり、その時
    判明「ちょっとそれは無いだろう」って思いました。自分の勉強不足もありますが.“'すいません
    です。卜ホホ。

    Deathjester

    確かこれもほとんど発注時のデザイン通り…と思う。なかなか格好良ぐよらず、苦労した憶えが
    ある割にはゲーム中ではおもいっきり情け無い奴だったのでガックリ来ました。


    Koren

    ポクの彳吏っているカラーインクは「ルマ」ですが、この赤系の濃い色がものすごく厄介なのです,
    すぐダマになるし、色のノビも良くない,褪色が激しい事も分かりました。しかし、それでもポクは「ル
    マ」を便い続けるでしょう。それはポクがこの「ルマ」の深い色合いに魅せられているからに他な
    りません,

    Booskaboo

    上のブーちゃんはポクですが、下の2点は当時のアシスト漉澤クンの着彩によるもの。あとメイン
    キャラのストーリーイラスト(背景の付いたもの)の背景部分も彼によるペンです。折角細かく描
    いた線がポクの厚塗りでガンガン消えていくので、彼は少々悲しそうでした(笑)。ゴメンね

    Flammy

    う〜ん、カラーインクって気を付けないとすぐ濃くなっちやうんですヨ。だから、フラミーがみんなの
    知ってるフラミーよりもほんの少し黄色かったとしても、笑って許してやって下さい。(笑)

    Fairy & Spirits

    8精霊は全て前作の九月姫さんのデザインですね。激ラブリーです。(笑)この手のキヤラはあま
    り描く機会がないので楽しんで描けました。妖精さんが裸なのは「リー」と「フロウド」の影響か
    もしれない。(笑)

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    https://www.flickr.com/photos/93343796@N04/12253151805/sizes/o/in/set-72157640366186963/

    * cf :
    http://www.squarepalace.com/sites/default/files/dossiers/seiken_densetsu_3/artworks/esquisses/prince_noir.gif

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    Re: Seiken Densetsu 3 Artbook scans

    Post by Gwendal on Wed Apr 16, 2014 12:39 pm

    I guess my favorite villain would have to be the Dark Prince, since I like his design and the Lise/Hawk story arc is my favorite. Then again, I'm also fond of the Masked Mage since he has an interesting backstory and a nice sense of mystery to him.

    As for Mana spirits, I'll go with Salamando. He has a nice design, and you just can't argue with the ability to thrown fireballs around. Smile
    Undine is a good one too...getting her allows you to use magic for the first time in SoM, and she's probably the best spirit there due to Cure Water.

    Anyway, here's the translation. Sorry it's taken a little while. Also, I had to smile at "Death Eat Man". Oh, Japan...


    Bigieu/Isabella

    Hmm, this one kind of makes me feel apologetic towards Mr./Ms. Suemi. She's very similar to the "Royal Lady" from "WIZ". I made some illustrations I liked when I received the order, and later, when I ended up working on "WIZ", I realized the resemblance. I remember thinking, "Huh, really?". It's my own fault for not doing my research properly, so I apologize for that. Heh heh.

    Deathjester

    This one also ended up pretty much in line with my initial design...I think. I remember struggling quite a bit to find a good feel for him, and after that I was disappointed to see that he was such a deplorable character in the actual game.

    Crimson Wizard/Koren

    I use "ruma" type color ink, so it was really annoying to work with this kind of deep red color. I'd get lumps in the ink, and the color wouldn't spread properly. I also learned the color would fade very quickly. But I spite of all that, I continue to use "ruma" ink. That's purely because I've been charmed by the "ruma"'s deep hues, nothing else.

    Booskaboo

    I created little Boo's upper body, but it was Shibuzawa, my assistant at the time, who drew the two lower parts. The backgrounds in the main characters' story illustrations (the ones that have backgrounds, that is) also sprang from his/her pen. All his/her painstakingly drawn lines would always disappear underneath my thick paint, so I think he/she was a bit sad because of that. (Smile)
    Sorry.

    Flammie

    Hmm, I had to be careful with the color ink here, otherwise the color would end up too pronounced. Even so, I managed to make her a bit more yellow than the Flammie you all know and love, and you have my permission to go ahead and laugh at that. (Smile)

    Fairy & Mana Spirits

    All eight Mana spirits still use the same designs Ms. Hime Kugatsu* made for the previous game. They're absolutely lovely. (Smile)
    I rarely get the chance to draw characters this way, so I enjoyed it. Making the fairy naked might have been due to the influence of "Lee" and "Froudo". (Smile)

    *Probably safe to assume she's female, since "hime" means "princess".

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