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    Re: Who is/are your favorite Xenosaga character/s?

    Post by Guest on Mon Dec 31, 2012 10:45 pm

    Miss Meerkat wrote:I personally developed a hatred for KOS-MOS recently after trying to fish through a billion Xenosaga fanart pics, 80% of which were KOS-MOS, just to find some pictures of Jr.

    Ahhhh, I know what that feels like, I save a lot of fanart and I always wish there could be more variation on the Xenosaga ones...

    Well, my favorites are Jin, chaos, Wilhelm, MOMO, Albedo, KOS-MOS, Shion and Kevin, I think.
    Jin or chaos if I had to pick one, though. Specially Ep1 chaos, I just love that voice actor!

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    Post by Guest on Tue Jan 01, 2013 2:18 am

    Jr. was my favorite for a while, but after Xenosaga 3 came out and I looked back on the series as a whole, I have to say KOS-MOS overall.  

    I love how KOS-MOS was never that interested in becoming a human.  That trope has worn thin on me ever since Data in Star Trek TNG; espeically in anime, where it is rarely done in an original way.  KOS-MOS is essentially a walking battleship with boobs who only learns and feels as much as her tasks require.  

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    Any ability to feel and understand emotions is there because she's secretly supposed to be a temporary vessel for Mary.  In the end, I like how KOS-MOS retained her own being separate from Mary, and was able to save Shion.  It all happened very quick at the end, but I felt like KOS-MOS was given the ability to develop her own personality and feelings thanks to Mary.  Very similar to how Sakura wanted MOMO to be her own person as well.
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    Re: Who is/are your favorite Xenosaga character/s?

    Post by Xernova on Tue Jan 01, 2013 6:08 am

    Zeal wrote:Well, my favorites are Jin, chaos, Wilhelm, MOMO, Albedo, KOS-MOS, Shion and Kevin, I think.
    Jin or chaos if I had to pick one, though. Specially Ep1 chaos, I just love that voice actor!
    Wow, Kevin... you don't hear that often. I remember a topic on Godsibb in which most people were basically bashing his character and I was one of the few who posted some reasons why I actually like the guy (despite his unpleasant behavior in XSIII). xD He's not on my list of favorites, though. I do like him, but not enough to call him a favorite.

    I found neither of chaos' English voices fitting for his character. XSI chaos is too super happy and XSII/III chaos has an over-the-top deep voice. I've heard a few lines by his Japanese XSIII voice actor, and I think that one has the right tone of voice for chaos.

    PS: I was quite surprised to learn chaos' XSI voice actor also voiced Takaya and Mitsuru's father in Persona 3. Didn't recognize him at all. =o


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    Post by Guest on Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:47 am

    I always liked chaos' voices to be honest, I think all three of them did fit the character,and as for Kevin I'm at the same boat as Xernova I suppose.

    Miyuky...that's a nice way to describe her,seeing that way I like her personality a bit, I think her and Allen should have been more described in the series,along with Orgulla.

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    Post by Guest on Tue Jan 01, 2013 9:20 am

    @Xernova wrote:Wow, Kevin... you don't hear that often. I remember a topic on Godsibb in which most people were basically bashing his character and I was one of the few who posted some reasons why I actually like the guy (despite his unpleasant behavior in XSIII). xD He's not on my list of favorites, though. I do like him, but not enough to call him a favorite.

    I thought Kevin was an interesting antagonist.  It was just the way Shion acted in regards to Kevin that bugged me about Kevin.  Hold on, I must extrapolate.

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    What bugged me the most was that you find out that it was a young Kevin who unleashed the monsters who killed Shion's family, which directly caused her to react and destroy Miltia.  But she blames herself for the destruction, and runs into Kevin's arms (causing more destruction in the process).  I understand the conflict that she felt, but I feel it was presented poorly in a mad rush to finish the series.  Even in the resolution where she lets go of her angst and decides to side against Kevin, she hasn't really recognized any of the faults that make him an interesting character.

    So, I liked Kevin, but he made me like Shion less.
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    Re: Who is/are your favorite Xenosaga character/s?

    Post by Xernova on Wed Jan 02, 2013 6:52 am

    ^ Shion is quite a chaotic character, but I actually really like how she responded near the end of the game;



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    I love how Shion chooses Kevin's side at first. I mean, usually main characters are like: "I love you too, but what you're doing is wrong, so I'll have to fight you now". But no, Shion responds realistically: the love of her life, who she thought had died, suddenly shows up as a Testament and explains that he did it all for her (even if he did first use her in order to save her). I think it would have been complete rubbish if she had just dismissed him as a wrongdoer. So her choice to join him totally made sense to me. It took a beating and strong reasoning from Allen (and KOS-MOS) before she changed her mind again. I'd love to see this more often in games, instead of the usual "I can't do that, it's wrong" response, which I've seen like a billion times already.
    */copy & paste*

    Adding to that, I thought it was interesting that while Wilhelm is hurting her -and with everyone else unable to help her- she calls out to Kevin once more, pleading to help her. Which he does. Karate-chopping Wilhelm's arm off is something which I found oddly amusing.
    Wanted to post this yesterday, but New Year's Day turned out to be quite a busy day for me.

    [Hm, bumped into another old post of mine from the topic "likes/dislikes about characters". Posted my thoughts on Jr. and chaos in that one, I'll edit it into my first reply in this topic.]


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    Post by Guest on Wed Jan 02, 2013 11:27 am

    I like the idea of what they did, but I just have issues of how they put it all together.  It's a problem when you have so much going on.  It's difficult to tell a clear story about a single character when you are focusing on 7 different ones, plus NPCs.  

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    I agree it would have been "too easy" if she had stayed on the right side the entire time.  But she consciously realizes that Kevin sacrificed all of those people, including her mother and father, but she doesn't even consider maybe he betrayed me, maybe he doesn't love me, maybe he was just using me, maybe he shouldn't have killed all those people despite the ends being to save me, which is the normal thing a person would think when presented with that sort of information.  She just automatically flips over to "I'll only be happy if I go with Kevin." I don't even know where that leap came from, and it forms the entirety of Shion's conflict for the rest of the game.

    I am sure it would have been better if the second half of the third game had not been so compressed with information.  We could have seen Shion's mental state dissolving slowly instead of flipping like a light switch at the sight of Kevin.
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    Post by chibi on Sat Jan 05, 2013 11:39 am

    Jr.'s definitely my favorite.  He's got so many different nuances to his character that he just drew me in.  He's got that mischievous little boy air, but then he can turn around and be mature when the situation calls for it.  I love his leader attitude and how he can just get things done.

    Albedo's a close second, and I really shouldn't have to explain the reasons why he's so awesome.  Laughing

    I saw the bit about KOSy going on, and I thought I'd thrown my .02 in.  I love her in Ep. I and II, but when she gets the cat ears in III, I lose respect for her.  And plus, I'm a bit tired of her being the only one to represent Xenosaga, even though I understand why.


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    Re: Who is/are your favorite Xenosaga character/s?

    Post by JerriLeah7 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:42 pm

    My favorite XS character that is playable is Jr.--he is someone that is just brazen, blunt, and very open about his opinions and honest with himself. He doesn't let things such as his size get in his way and he most certainly loves a good adventure. (lol) I really like all that there is about Jr. (except for his pants in Ep. 1, which should be burned) and for some reason, he spoke to me more than any other character on a personal level. I like him and that's really as simple as I can get.


    As for non-playable characters, I'm definitely big on Cherenkov and Albedo, but I have to say that I am not a fan of Kos-Mos. I actually dislike her quite a lot, but it actually has nothing to do with her character (as in her personality). However, this thread is about who we like, not who we dislike, so I won't go into that spiel.


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    Re: Who is/are your favorite Xenosaga character/s?

    Post by oraf on Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:34 pm

    lol! i liked Jr in his greens.


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    Re: Who is/are your favorite Xenosaga character/s?

    Post by stitchedmoon on Tue Feb 12, 2013 8:32 pm

    ^ Haha, I liked those pants too! I'd wear 'em. (They're my favorite colors~)


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    Post by katimus_prime on Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:32 pm

    After having stumbled onto all the junk from my hard drive, and looking at every page in the 4koma for him, my will to Cherenkov is back in full swing. Nothing new for me, but it's back up.


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    Re: Who is/are your favorite Xenosaga character/s?

    Post by Guest on Sat Jun 15, 2013 12:36 am

    chaos, Jr, Momo, and Albedo. All are amazing and I loved 2 cuz I find Jr a lot more interesting then Shion. Razz
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    Post by katimus_prime on Mon Jun 17, 2013 7:04 pm

    Jr. and Shion really do wrangle for ownership of Being the Main Character of Xenosaga. I don't have anything against Shion, but I am curious to see what the series would have been like if Jr. had been The Main Character. :3


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    Re: Who is/are your favorite Xenosaga character/s?

    Post by Guest on Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:27 pm

    I don't know what y'all are talking about, Cherenkov's wife is obviously the best character in the 'Saga. Closely followed by Sellers. (of course, I kid) Gotta say Shion's my favorite, even though she makes me wanna scream sometimes. I get it, though, acting like an a-hole when a lot of crap's happened to you. It doesn't make for a very sympathetic character, but it's plausible characterization nonetheless.

    As for my favorite character with whom I identify most? That'd be Miyuki. Mah girllll.
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    Post by katimus_prime on Sun Jul 28, 2013 7:33 pm

    You know, after all this time, I'd like to see someone up and try to defend Cherenkov's wife.  It'd be amusing to see.  XD (Although I'm afraid it might take on the shrill tone of a Tumblr social justice warrior...)


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    Post by stitchedmoon on Mon Jul 29, 2013 6:04 am

    (Now I'm imagining Cherenkov's wife as a shrill UMNblr social justice warrior. "Stop clone-shaming me! Check your super soldier privilege!") D:

    I did kinda get to like Sellers after a while, just because he's so hilariously terrible and also Dr Strangelove.


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    Re: Who is/are your favorite Xenosaga character/s?

    Post by Tehrin on Thu Aug 01, 2013 2:09 pm

    @stitchedmoon wrote:(Now I'm imagining Cherenkov's wife as a shrill UMNblr social justice warrior. "Stop clone-shaming me! Check your super soldier privilege!") D:

    I did kinda get to like Sellers after a while, just because he's so hilariously terrible and also Dr Strangelove.

    Oh god. I died.

    Come to think of it, I think Cherenkov's wife really is the only character I can't find myself having any reason to like. It's really rare these days to have a series with characters you can somewhat understand and relate to, even if they are wicked. But her, she had no other motive other than to be a terrible wench. Voyager was downright horrible, but he was interesting as a character (at least with the stuff we were never given). I can't hate on Kevin, even though he was a jerk. I have all the feels for Virgil and Albedo though. I can't hate Wilhelm, but he wasn't so much of a villain, just more of an antagonist.

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    Post by xenolion on Fri Sep 27, 2013 10:17 pm

    *coming back from the dead*

    I didn't realize I missed so much and I am sorry for the late reply.  I have listed below some of my reasons for not liking Kossie.  Now I am not looking for a debate because you are not going to change my mind especially after how many years.  I also put it in spoilers as not to muck up the post.

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    So here they are.  Not in any particular order

    1) I find her overrated, not only character wise, but popularity wise.  Here she is built to be the 'savior' of the human race and you spend most of all three of the games either rescuing her or waiting for her to be fixed.  That totally sucks when you are leveling up your other characters then you are forced to try to play catch up with her.  At least they could have leveled her up with everyone else.  I think she was the most powerful in EP 1 and least powerful in ep 3.

    2)The fans are over the top.  Go ahead and do a search on xenosaga.  How many pictures, fan fics, figures (this one really pisses me off), and other merchandise are of Kossie.  It is enough to make anyone sick.  How many other videogames has she been in?  All this for an android that was in the Vector recycle bin.  I think Vector had the right idea.  There are other characters in Xenosaga not just Kossie and sometimes I think the others, not only Jin got proper credit.

    3) The way she looks.  Seriously the people who designed her must be lonely.  I can nitpick all the problems (including the balance problems with high heels, the need for a garter, and the lack of clothes).  There is one design I did not find utterly ridiculous (Kitty ears anyone?) and that is Version 2.  That is the one that looked most like an android is supposed to look. Even then she was not "complete".  Ok not to mention her attacks  D-boobie shot?  

    4) Oh and let's not mention that Jin had to save her ass.  OK I may be a bit bias because he died =)

    I think the time wasted on her could have been used on developing other characters.  I am just thankful the achievement/trophy system did not exist in the xenosaga era.

    Like I said I am not looking for a debate, nothing anyone is going to say will change my viewpoint.  And FYI any Valkryia Chronicles fans, I hate Alicia too probably more than Kossie.


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    Re: Who is/are your favorite Xenosaga character/s?

    Post by Yikari on Tue Oct 29, 2013 10:59 am

    I doubt there'd be much interest in this topic after all this time, but we are all here to share our perception of the game we like, are we not? Personally, I'm fascinated with other people's interpretations of the familiar characters whether I agree with their opinion or not, so I hope this post won't be a complete waste of bandwidth.

    If I were to pick an absolute favourite character out of them all, I'd say it will have to be Ziggy.

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    After all the stuff JRPG usually do to their 'older than 16' characters, he was like a breath of fresh air to me. All of Xenosaga was, really, but Ziggy in particular. Silly looking Bloodrayne-esque armblade in Episode I and horribly abbreviated backstory notwithstanding, the only thing I can think of he may be lacking in any of the games is a manly enough beard.  :biggrin2:

    I did not get a 'tragical vibe' (so to speak) from him at first. The 'he strives to remove all of his organic components so that he may finally be legally dead' explanation had me thinking he was trying to finally become free of his no-vacation-no-retirement 'job' of cleaning up his owners' messes. I viewed his request to complete his transformation more as "Will this be finally enough to buy my freedom?! I am so itching to give this 'establishment' of yours the finger and be on my merry way." instead of "I am tired, let me die already" the game went with.

    There is of course that mention of 'self-destructive tendencies' and him being 'implanted with a device that makes him unable to commit suicide' right in that scene. And that brief but very strongly executed flashback of his surrogate son that just screams 'Robocop' later on. And that commentary about Albedo's psyche cracking in that Encephalon dive flashback in Episode II. And his admission of trying to forget some things in Episode III.

    So yeah, my first impression pretty much remained a part of my personal fanon somewhere in the corner of my mind. But given that the dude can strike up a sentai action hero pose and yell really loud to restore ~40% of his hp and the sheer vicious can of whoopass he unleashes in a fight, I maintain that this characterisation is not completely unfounded. :goofy:

    (I have yet to read that Pied Piper translation I've seen people mention though. Maybe there is even more  :pirate: Ziggy in there...)

    On the technical side of things, I'd say his Episode III version is the weakest presentation of them all, IMHO. Yes, he has a more detailed model there and there is some (in my completely amateur eyes) clever texture work that makes his sleeves seemingly bulge with muscles in certain camera angles when they in fact do no such thing, and I have absolutely no complaints about his english VA work and voice direction, and - let's be honest here - yes, I have moaned out loud with barely contained ecstasy when the game showed me his 'Penetration' special move and informed me that I can increase its base damage by offing enemies with it.

    But!

    I have to ask where are the kicks? I mean, do you remember the Cyberkick? And the absolute :pirate: smackdown he gives out left and right in Episode II? What was wrong with that?

    I really won't be able to put all my characters' impressions - there are just so many that are interesting in their own way! - in one post but here are some of the highlights:

    Jr.

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    I remeber thinking "omfg, obnoxiousness incoming, prepare to turn off the brain" when he was first introduced. I was pleasantly surprised when this turned out to be nothing of the sort, ridiculously bad pants and botched Terminator quotes aside. His dialogue in both text itself and voice direction (as far as I can tell the VA themselves are the same person in all three games) in Episode I and III could certainly use some work and his face in both of those games is plainly horrible in my opinion, but damn if I don't like his Episode II depiction. It has just... made him better in every way I can imagine.

    I'd say my favourite scenes with him would be his reaction to a real, as bona fide as it gets bookstore and his gradually changing face expression when the party gets into hearing range of that cruiser in the sunken city dungeon. Priceless, both of them.

    After playing through all three games, the only real complaint I can raise against him as a character is how easily he gets riled up and lead on by antagonists' attempts at emotional manipulation, but considering what (and, more importantly, whom) he reacts like that to, I'd say it makes his personality more believable - and thus makes him a better character in the end.

    I have a problem with how nobody seems to try and help him realise that (or, if he already does and simply can't control the veritable flood of emotion that overwhelms him, help him cope with it), but that has nothing to do with Jr. himself and is simply an overall issue the game suffers from.

    Albedo.

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    I was distinctly not impressed with him at first. Accusing others of being weak while curbstomping faceless soldiers in a vastly superior mech (which seems to not work at full power unless you feed it your co-pilot according to that one cutscene) and breaking necks of completely unresisting little girlies does not serious threat credentials make. Yes, the sensual caress of (presumably maimed and/or dead) bodies and mad ramblings were noticeably more convincing than is usual for the genre, but whatever.

    But then he goes and deliberately mutilates himself in front of his captive's face (while, I assume, showering sad captive's face with his own blood and gore) just to mess with their head. Huh. You don't see that every day, unnatural regenerative powers or not (the scene showing Albedo being unable to die from normal causes in a chillingly undisputible manner was a neat bonus too).

    And a little bit later, when his blatantly psychotic behaviour creeped out and infuriated as much characters in sight as possible and our party members are provoked into doing something stupid, things all click in a 'just as planned' moment, Albedo abruptly stops in his tracks, thanks the party for their help and departs to complete some other part of his plan somewhere else. And you are left wondering if he is really mad at all.

    Oh, I don't doubt he has more than a few screws loose in his head and doesn't really have to fake his crazy that much - to put it mildly - but the sheer cold, calculating prediction of what and how much will make his target freak out and something they would never do in normal circumstances involved in his schemes is uncharacteristic of how game villains of a 'madman' type are usually done.

    The only thing that kinda spoils the fun is how easily the party goes with his manipulation. Albedo ends up not really working all that much to make them dance to his tune. That, and he always puts the pressure on the same two characters. I'd like to see him trying to mindscrew, say, Jin or someone else for a change to mix things up.

    Dmitri.

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    My favourite VA perfomance in the game period. His lines and scenes are quite awesome too. Personally, I'd dial back on the 'I am going to become a god' part, he slides back in quality noticeably after that. And make him murder both Godwin sisters. On-screen. No, I don't 'hate' them, I've stopped 'hating' characters somewhere along the way (I just curse the authors nowadays instead), not even particularly dislike them even, but that hauntingly beautiful hug-and-shoot scene is really thrown out of whack by the victim just being up and about a couple of scenes later.

    Kevin.

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    I don't like what they did to him.

    That said, the way he relentlessly presses his target into compliance, switching angles of attack, guilt-tripping, etc. makes me believe the dude could sell sand in a desert. I have trouble believing that anyone could hear the spiel he tried to spin and not instantly call bullshit, but Shion is not exactly in her right mind there, is she? Wasn't for a long time. And while I find his lines really awkwardly written, the gist of it - that Kevin is using appeal for emotion all the way instead of trying to persuade Shion with logic - comes across quite nicely if the sick feeling in my stomach is any indication (I happen to react somewhat violently when I see people 'persuading' others using such horsecrap; I can only assume it is something of a berserk button for me).

    What I find nifty is how he is able to clark-kent his way into that weapon testing show and Shion thinks she mistook 'Roth Mantel' for 'Kevin' simply because his behaviour is so much different from what she remembers (he uses the very same model but with glasses on and different clothes, ffs!). Perhaps more importantly, considering the depths of self-deception Episode III shows Shion indulging in on a daily basis, it calls into question the flashbacks of Kevin we were shown previously. Seemingly overly idealistic and willingly naive statements are put into a different light entirely.

    KOS-MOS.

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    A really mixed bag, in my opinion.

    Visual design (the 'high heels' + 'zettai ryoki' + 'scaly swimsuit' + 'wierdly shaped white 'accessory' thingies whose single purpose is to haunt nightmare of aspiring cosplayers'parts specifically) is just bad. IMHO, Episode II had the right idea. But using the barest amount of google search seems to imply that astonishingly vast amount of people eats that stuff up and asks for more. Ugh.

    That said, there are some things about how KOS-MOS turned out visually which I liked. And I don't mean the gloves, the hair or the firearms either.

    - That visor in Episode I that ended up not being used anywhere past the tutorial stage is a seriosly smooth and sleek model. I don't think any other 'face' has quite that amount of detail until later episodes.

    - The cutscenes in which she moves just plain wrong, whether in a full-on ghoul mode like in the archetype incident flashback, or just a little tiny bit off like when she gets out of the coffin for the first time and the ankle joint bends the way it is really not supposed to for a brief moment. Eyeballs seemingly adjusting in size. Her in-fight model blinking when she is supposedly 'knocked out'. Unfortunately things like that are not used much for the Uncanny Valley factor past that, if at all.

    - Speaking of coffins, those 'restraints' don't look like a device meant to fix fragile cargo inside its container to me. More like a series of hydraulic stakes pinning a vampire in an attempt to keep it inside. (Which really puts an interesting twist on Ep. III's database stating the thing has words 'Iron Maiden' spelt on its surface).

    - The ubiquitous robo-vision ala Robocop and Terminator contains a whole lot of clutter that is showed just undetailed enough to not really show anything... besides KOS-MOS having sense of smell installed (but no sense of taste) for some reason.

    And then the game slams you over the head with things like the boob cannon and other such... ingenuities. Double ugh.

    On the characterization front it is not a smooth sailing either.

    I absolutely love the 'meet the Elsa' scene (specifically, the passive-agressive way KOS-MOS responds to Shion's behaviour), her Professor's subquest character-specific lines, and the way she leads Wilhelm to believe she is going to comply to his commands all the way up until she crushes the magical stone he desired right in front of his eyes.

    But.

    I sincerely hope the whole 'Mary' business was shoehorned in because of the franchise being wrapped up in three games instead of six, because I don't see how that could've turned out without being retarded, hilarious or hilariously retarded either way. The 'KOS-MOS was made unpractically human-like because she was meant to house a human mind' part I have no problems with and I do find it neat how Ep. III changes all her battle quotes after the fact. Other than that, the holes in the script remind me of KOTOR II.

    Episode II doesn't help either. It could be said that KOS-MOS not having much to say is actually more in-character with the stated premise, but she literally has almost nothing in terms of characterization in that game. It does highlight those two scenes when she does react to what is happening around her, but that doesn't help selling her transformation from a killbot into a person that happens in Ep. III.

    Overall, I very want to like the character, but am unable to do so in full.

    Luis.

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    Very poorly handled, but I find myself liking him very much.

    He is a character that is set up in a way that is supposed to make players not like him from the start (don't you just hate when authors try to do this?), is an angry, agressive, prejudiced person and could really be less corny and hamfisted in his speeches. But the things he says could have really used more part in the plot.

    Andrei.

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    I don't think I need to explain why I think Commander Cherenkov is an all-around awesome character. I just wish all the juicy details weren't crammed into one dungeon.

    The thing I've liked the most about his part in the plot is how his flashback shows that uber-prototypes don't just 'go out of control' for no reason.

    One thing that bugged me about him was why his transformation did not look anything like 'Betty' Durandal has stashed in its hazardous materials isolation chambers.
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    Post by katimus_prime on Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:09 am

    Always happy to see this thread brought back from the dead. |3  I'm short on time at the moment, but all of your outlooks (especially Ziggy's and Cherenkov's) made me go "yay!"


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    Re: Who is/are your favorite Xenosaga character/s?

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    I'm sitting here in some amount of fear wondering if I should post on this thread... I feel like half of this fandom already hates me for my often less-than-savoury views of Xenogears, and my strong (and highly protective) love of Shion. Not sure if I should give you all more reasons to give me the evil eye!

    Ehhh, what the hell. I love these characters and want to express myself!

    MY GAL SHION
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    It's no secret that I love Shion. Like, I've got a little defending her and everything. ((x))

    I think that little bit of writing lays out most of my reasons for loving her, snuck in between my arguments against people who don't. In a nutshell though--
    -She was extremely relatable for me. By Episode III, she has essentially surrendered herself entirely to emotion, and feels... lost, I suppose. Paralyzed, and unable to decide what to do. It was probably one of the most painfully realistic depictions of depression I've seen in a game-- at least for me? I found myself flinching and looking away when it came to her struggles with her emotions and her life-- I'm usually one of those people who to some extent, delights in the misery of their favourite character, but... but for her, it hit too close to home. I saw a lot of myself in her-- especially saying that while playing Xenosaga, I was just rising out of perhaps some of the worst days of my own struggles with depression. The feelings were still fresh-- I looked at Shion and thought "My god. That was me a few months ago." So when people whine that she was "stupid" in her actions and "annoying," I find myself getting... personally offended, I guess! I feel as though Shion is getting torn down for making the decisions that 90% of people would probably make in real life. We have 20/20 vision as the players of video games!
    -Another reason I really enjoy Shion (and this is something I don't really touch upon in the essay) is basically her entire status in the game's universe. It is SO refreshing to have a female protagonist in an RPG-- a genre notorious for being largely  male-driven. Even more so, Shion is a highly successful engineer and scientist-- typically male-dominated fields in the real world. It's nice to see the woman as the leader (Shion) and the man as the subordinate sidekick (Allen)!
    -Which calls attention to HOW MUCH PROGRESS THE XENOGAMES HAVE MADE SINCE GEARS AHAHAHAHA


    KOS-MOS
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    I'd also like to take a moment to defend KOS-MOS! She's one of my favourite characters in the series, and I feel like in some ways, she gets written off too. She's clearly the most popular and well-known character of the franchise, which is fine and dandy except for two things:
    -Much of this has to do with her appearance
    -Some people backlash against this by writing her off as being just the fanservice
    D:
    So yeah! I feel as though people like to write her off a lot. It's true that the majority of her character development does not come until Episode III, but I feel like it was worth the wait. I enjoyed the Mary business (unlike... a lot of people???? it seems???) and found that it tied in nicely with all the hints dropped in the earlier episodes-- 'the awakening of KOS-MOS' and her bursts of 'blue-eye power.'

    Plus, the her whole concept was set up to be a 'fragile soul' in a 'powerful body'-- the reverse of humans. I feel like the claims that she is emotionless and boring come from the fact that people aren't really thinking about the fact that she's supposed to be a foil to the human condition. It's only when the human within her (Mary) awakens, that she gains more natural behaviours.
    Don't even get me started on her and Shion. Mmmmmmmhmmmmmmmmm. I feel like her spark of humanity was always most visible when Shion was in the equation-- the entire "Maiden of Mary" deal strengthened that even further.
    And yeah, her appearance is a bit ridiculous. It's fanservice. I know. As I said, I feel like people either love that or hate it, but either way, it ends up distracting them from her actual development and plot significance. I love her entire concept, her role in the story, and her relationship with Shion so very much-- and it pains me to see people look over these things.


    GAIGNUN
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    GUYS I REALLY LOVE GAIGNUN TOO.

    (x)

    I THINK THAT LAYS OUT ALL THE BIG POINTS BUT MAN IF ANYONE WANTS TO TALK TO ME ABOUT GAIGNUN PLEASE I WILL DO THAT WITH YOU.
    (Because I can go on and on and onnnnn. I mean. Wow. Does anyone else cry over the fact that he's shown to be probably the sweetest and most gentle of the URTVs, yet is the one who gets cursed with perhaps the most gruesome fate?? Or the fact that he is forever the solitary figure, reaching out for love and affection, but knwoing all the time that he can never get it? That he can never have the same bond as Jr. and Albedo???? That he's supposed to kill Jr-- the person he arguably cares about more than anyone in the world? And the strength it must've taken to deny the entire path laid out before him? And what a perfect foil he is to Citrine??? A woman who accepted her fate with open arms, instead of denying it as he did???)

    Citrine
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    (Oh damn, Citrine too. I love her so much, and sincerely wish she would've gotten more of a story. I feel as if... she had a hint of relentless narcissism beneath her claims of being nothing more than a weapon. It's an ugly human trait, but a human trait nonetheless, and it reminds you that if ONLY IT HAD BEEN ALLOWED TO GROW  she might not have turned out the way she did. Perhaps if her sisters survived? Because she did not have the chance to develop the same bonds that the boys did... they had each other. She had no one.)


    Also PELLEGRI.
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    Pellegri, yo! I always got the feeling that she was a good person who just made bad decisions and ended up involved with the wrong people. However-- she is never shamed by the storyline for making the choices she did. (She's only shamed by Jin, who kinda just looks like an ass when he starts yelling at her, let's be honest...?)

    She sticks to her path, right down to the bitter end. She doesn't let anyone else control her or make decisions for her. She went on her own accord-- not because she wanted to be with Margulis or any of the crap Jin flings at her. She felt as though it was her duty, and stuck to it, even after her paradigms were shattered by Wilhelm's reveal.

    WHich reminds me how good all the antagonsits are in this series. Wow. All of them are well-developed, and full of reasonable motives-- even the most despicable ones. (YURIEV.)

    Long story short-- the characters are one of me favourite parts of this game, and there are no characters that I can say I truly hate. Like even the ones I hate from a storyline perspective (YURIEV and KEVIN) are at least fascinating!

    And god, do I hate Yuriev. ;p

    Oh, and Yikari!!! I highly recommend you check out Pied Piper-- that will be a veritable GOLDMINE for you! ;D
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    Re: Who is/are your favorite Xenosaga character/s?

    Post by kare_reiko on Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:11 pm

    Yikari, you really should read Pied piper, I really liked Ziggy before reading it but after that he move to second place of my male Xenosaga characters.


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    Re: Who is/are your favorite Xenosaga character/s?

    Post by katimus_prime on Tue Oct 29, 2013 1:20 pm

    http://zarathustra.kaisho.org/
    Pied Piper is so worth it. :3


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    Re: Who is/are your favorite Xenosaga character/s?

    Post by stitchedmoon on Tue Oct 29, 2013 11:02 pm

    ^ Seconded.  So, so worth it. <3  (I believe there's still a fan manga adaptation of it floating around the internets too!)

    @katimus_prime wrote:I'm short on time at the moment, but all of your outlooks (especially Ziggy's and Cherenkov's) made me go "yay!"

    ^^ Also this.


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